my understanding of soko is it's played more in the weeks leading to the soli, rather than the soli itself. usually in the kelalasi fete i described earlier.Dugafola wrote:i witnessed a soli fete for the bilakoro in the village of Mandoukoro which is near Faranah in Sankaran...koumanko territory. there was no soko or kala played at all.
yes, that tour of the soon to be initiated is called kelalasi.michi wrote:In the weeks leading up to the ceremony, the to-be-initiated boys are sent around neighbouring villages to spread the word about the ceremony. They often are invited to stay overnight. Soko is played to welcome the boys when they arrive in the village.
very true!bubudi wrote: it's easy to misinterpret our words in this text medium.
that doesn't change my mind. First it depends on how you ask, then where, then who, then how many people are around etc. Then it's possible that Famoudou refers to the rhythm on Mamady's disc, which is recorded as a dundunba, even if there is no traditional one of this kind.i personally asked famoudou about this via thomas goldhahn a few years back. my reason was that he was not using the basatinbaraba call on this piece on his cd. famoudou's response was that damba is definitely a dunun (dununba) rhythm.
Soli yes. What rhythms do you think of? For me, dundunbas are rhythms played for dundunba fêtes, there are some special ones, like sankaranba or kudabadon and some rare exceptions.but some dunun rhythms are played outside the dununba fete. did you attend any soli fetes in hamana or gberedu?
I will see, but there's is only one of my teachers who has ever used a computer.are you able to correspond by email with any of your teachers?
Yes, it's true, it will never come to an end and there is no guinean drummer who knows all the rhythms played (probably not even in one region).michel weelen wrote:@ Afoba ...
You're right .... What i meant is that every village got his own version off the rythm, and some time as you said, few version ... but some are played so localy ... How can we dream to know them all, even the guinean drummers don't know them all .... useless ....
I've been to Baro and "la fête de la mare" and saw the Dudumbas played there ... the guys just played 2 or 3 rythms all day long .....
My point is : appart from an ethnomusical job, wich means going to every village & collecting every single peace off music & then go back again a few years later to witness the changes & evolution, a living musician would not be able to know all ... and i'm not sur it means something .... but that's my point off vue ....
it just happens man. kenkeni will just start pounding it out. Not sure what village...maybe Kourala. it was near Baro though right after the sacred forest fete.bubudi wrote:for the main ternary mendiani/bundiani rhythm? in what villages does this happen?Dugafola wrote:sometimes in a bundiani fete the dununba kenkeni is used.
see daniel's post below.bubudi wrote:my understanding of soko is it's played more in the weeks leading to the soli, rather than the soli itself. usually in the kelalasi fete i described earlier.Dugafola wrote:i witnessed a soli fete for the bilakoro in the village of Mandoukoro which is near Faranah in Sankaran...koumanko territory. there was no soko or kala played at all.
that's exactly what i experienced. instead of the weeks on tour from village to village, it is now just a couple of days. in the village i was in, it started 3 days before...that's it. i asked a village elder, sekou conde-great dancer btw, about it and he said it's gotten shorter and shorter over time. Bolokada confirmed this.Afoba wrote:My experience with Soli:
there can be some dianzamalo before and (more often) after the soli fête. But sökö is'nt played there. In general the whole customs weeks before (and after) the fête itself are getting lost maybe not everywhere, but I think so). All the stuff like going to the bush being educated in a traditional way, that we still know from Laye Camara's "enfant noir" isn't there anymore.
The day of Soli (the first of the 2 days, depends on how you see it), they can start playing in the early aftrenoon. There is a break in the evening for praying, than it can go on the whole night long (solimasi, solisi).
If there are only a few boys, it can be done just in the afternoon. Some circumcisions are done without any fête nowadays (depends on the family's money and motivation).
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Might be Koumana, Babila, Fissadou...Dugafola wrote:
it just happens man. kenkeni will just start pounding it out. Not sure what village...maybe Kourala. it was near Baro though right after the sacred forest fete.