it's easy to misinterpret our words in this text medium.
Afoba wrote:Bubudi, you have to understand that not all the hamana rhythms are dundunbas
of course not! i can name quite a few hamana rhythms that aren't dunun rhythms.
Afoba wrote: (danba isn't!).
i personally asked famoudou about this via thomas goldhahn a few years back. my reason was that he was not using the basatinbaraba call on this piece on his cd. famoudou's response was that damba is definitely a dunun (dununba) rhythm.
Somepeople use the suffix -dundun for some rhythms (like hamana dundun or konkoba dundun), but not all these rhythms are dundunbas.
yes, i am aware of this. denabendunun is another. it can be tricky when you start talking about konkoba dunun and konden. both are played like a dunun (dununba) rhythm in baro. according to some teachers, they are dunun rhythms. ask famoudou, he will tell you without hesitation that both are definitely not
And they do NOT all evolved from dundungbè.
again, i was only refering to the dununba rhythms.
And, sorry, the fact that Sean mentions "takonani" doesn't proof that there is a dundunba (!)
i was not trying to use it as proof that it is a dununba rhythm. rather, i thought that you were saying that takonani is not a rhythm that exists in hamana, that it is just a variation on damba. so i was asking you to consult with sean since he mentions it on his site, under the same fete that i mentioned.
it was no dundunba fête, but denabö, no?
correct. but some dunun rhythms are played outside the dununba fete. did you attend any soli fetes in hamana or gberedu?
Not every rhythm with the offbeat kensedeni is a dunduba, you know?!
i will take your word for it! i will even give konkoba dunun as an example.
what you did in your lists above is to take all the discs you got and to copy the names of every rhythm with this kensedeni (and even some more
) - that's not serious!
In that way you find gberedu and gbereduka and maybe even beredou and than you say you know 3 more dundunbas d;-)
i assure you i don't do that. i am still not convinced that damba=tako4, though, even though i see a similarity. as i said before, there are other dunun rhythms that bear more resemblance to each other and yet are separate dunun rhythms.
And again: they choosed the name of takonani - why? are there 4 steps to do?? No it's just because there was tako3 before and they were looking for a name (for not all rhythms have clear names everywhere), and as there where 4 strokes.....
yes, that certainly seems a plausible reason for the name, and i can see where you're going with this. again, why not ask sean? maybe he was told this name by someone from the source? or better yet, are you able to correspond by email with any of your teachers?