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Bass, tone, tonpalo, slap...

Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:50 pm
by djembeweaver
Hi guys. I recently posted this video on my you tube channel, as when I was learning I didn't have anybody to explain this to me so I try to share insights as and when they occur to me.

The video's only been up a few days but I've had one 'thumbs down' already. Maybe I shouldn't be so sensitive but I wondered what people here thought? Is it of high enough quality to be posting? Is my technique clear enough? If people think it's not good enough I'll think about taking it down but I thought it was clear enough (except for the comedy moment when I demonstrate a tone and it comes out as a clear slap!) and all the information is correct to the best of my knowledge.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toxiWJKRwCA[/video]

Jon

Re: Bass, tone, tonpalo, slap...

Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:35 pm
by michi
Hi Jon,

first up, your tonpalo is making great progress!

I think the video is fine, there absolutely no need to take it down!

If there is one comment I may make, you have a tendency to turn in your hand a little towards the spine for the slaps. If you listen to Mamady, he prefers tone and slap to be played without any change in hand position. I think he's right: the less change there is in position, the more efficient the transition between tone and slap, and the faster you will be.



But then, many players do turn their wrist in somewhat for a slap, including some really famous ones, such as Barbara, so this is definitely a comment with a big caveat!

Cheers,

Michi.

Re: Bass, tone, tonpalo, slap...

Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:13 pm
by djembeweaver
first up, your tonpalo is making great progress!
Thanks Michi. Still working on it (don't think I'll ever stop really)
If there is one comment I may make, you have a tendency to turn in your hand a little to towards the spine for the slaps. If you listen to Mamady, he prefers tone and slap to be played without any change in hand position. I think he's right: the less change there is in position, the more efficient the transition between tone and slap, and the faster you will be.
I agree, and when I teach I don't teach people to turn their hands in. That's just what mine do unconsciously. That's probably because Samsou turns his hand in and I learned from him for many years. Actually I turn my hand in more when demonstrating single slaps than when actually playing...

In fact turning the hand in like that makes it much more likely that you'll get the M2 partial (the tonpalo harmonic if you like) and I am often frustrated by the fact that my slap is comprised of M2, M3 and M4, whereas Mamady's (and Iya's) is comprised of M3, M4 and M5. Maybe I should start forcing myself to keep my hand straighter. I can actually play a slap without making this movement...it's just that's my natural technique I suppose.

I'll experiment and get back to you.

Thanks for the words of encouragement though. I get paranoid that I'm just another You Tube idiot banging away sometimes!

Jon

Re: Bass, tone, tonpalo, slap...

Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:47 pm
by michi
djembeweaver wrote:
first up, your tonpalo is making great progress!
Thanks Michi. Still working on it (don't think I'll ever stop really)
Yeah, same here :)
In fact turning the hand in like that makes it much more likely that you'll get the M2 partial (the tonpalo harmonic if you like) and I am often frustrated by the fact that my slap is comprised of M2, M3 and M4, whereas Mamady's (and Iya's) is comprised of M3, M4 and M5. Maybe I should start forcing myself to keep my hand straighter. I can actually play a slap without making this movement...it's just that's my natural technique I suppose.
I find that, even without a change in hand position, I can select between different harmonics by minutely reaching in a little more with the fingertips to emphasize the higher harmonic. (It's subtle, no more than 2 mm difference in reach for me.) But, to get the tonpalo, I have to turn in as well and strike maybe an inch from the rim in a small area. It's very, very subtle finding that spot. Just a tiny bit too far in or out, or just a little too much contact area, and the higher harmonics dominate again.
Thanks for the words of encouragement though. I get paranoid that I'm just another You Tube idiot banging away sometimes!
Put that thought firmly out of your mind. You are not just another YouTube idiot, and your videos are a competent and valuable resource for lots of people. Keep up the good work!

Michi.

Re: Bass, tone, tonpalo, slap...

Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:36 am
by e2c
Keep up the good work, and keep posting videos.

Youtube is full of people trolling; it sounds like you got hit by one (or more).

Re: Bass, tone, tonpalo, slap...

Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:59 am
by djembeweaver
Thanks guys I really appreciate that. I am very self-critical and not that confident sometimes. It was only one thumbs down anyway. I should be glad I hardly get any on the whole but it does make you wonder what other people think.

Jon

Re: Bass, tone, tonpalo, slap...

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:31 am
by bubudi
you don't need to do anything wrong to get a thumbs down. could be just a matter of someone hitting the thumbs down by mistake, or just because you're not african. in any case, feedback is important and you'll get more of it by keeping the video up. negative feedback is (usually) constructive too. just ignore any haters. i'm not able to see the video right now but will let you know when i get a chance to see it.

Re: Bass, tone, tonpalo, slap...

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:04 pm
by djembeweaver
bubudi wrote:you don't need to do anything wrong to get a thumbs down. could be just a matter of someone hitting the thumbs down by mistake, or just because you're not african. in any case, feedback is important and you'll get more of it by keeping the video up. negative feedback is (usually) constructive too. just ignore any haters. i'm not able to see the video right now but will let you know when i get a chance to see it.
Sage advice. Thanks.

Jon

Re: Bass, tone, tonpalo, slap...

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 2:53 am
by worldcal
Great video. Thank you for sharing.

Re: Bass, tone, tonpalo, slap...

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:56 pm
by djembeweaver
worldcal wrote:Great video. Thank you for sharing.
And thank you for the words of encouragement.

Jon

Re: Bass, tone, tonpalo, slap...

Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:19 am
by Waraba
I liked your Wassolonka video! And the one that got the thumb down. Perhaps the fellow was standing on his head when he gave it to you.

Re: Bass, tone, tonpalo, slap...

Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:22 am
by djembeweaver
Waraba wrote:I liked your Wassolonka video! And the one that got the thumb down. Perhaps the fellow was standing on his head when he gave it to you.
Thank you! Actually I was a bit paranoid about the Wassolonka video too since some reasonably competent efforts got slated on another thread and I am acutely aware that my technique could have been clearer in places on that video so thanks again...that's given me a boost and motivated me to do some more videos soon :D

Jon

Re: Bass, tone, tonpalo, slap...

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:05 pm
by Waraba
I was taught that exact wassolonka by Abdoul Doumbia in 1994.

Re: Bass, tone, tonpalo, slap...

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:15 pm
by djembeweaver
Waraba wrote:I was taught that exact wassolonka by Abdoul Doumbia in 1994.
The one I attribute to Iya Sako you mean (I demonstrate two different versions in the video)? The one that starts of with two sets of tone-flams?

Is Abdoula Doumbia from Wassolon?

Jon