First djembe skin

[xtian215]

Hello, a noobish question, in a few days ill change my first djembe skin, original skin was goat, but i bought calf this time
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set= ... 320&type=3 (fb album with my recent progress)

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= ... 320&type=3

as you can see in that picture above the wood had a "missing part" maybe a chainsaw hit error when was building
i dont know, but as you can see my old skin was affected by that mistake

well i repaired with wood sand and carpenter glue.


How much the skin should go down on the first wet tight?
1cm?

check the pictures and send me comments feel free to critic, as its my first ever change on djembe skin

[michi]

During the wet pull, set the crown ring such that the top of the knots is just level with or maybe 2mm below the playing surface. During the wet pull, the stretch in the skin will make the crown come down so it sits at the right height, about 1cm below the surface.

Cheers,

Michi.

[xtian215]

michi

i was thinking michi, i want the finish of the skin like

alifaa

djembes, both skin end after the up knot.
well i know how to do it (ive seen videos), BUT, my doubt its, after i put the skin, and do the wet tight, when the skin its already dry, i should do the dry tight, OK, but HOW I WILL HOLD 1 ROPE TO CONTINUE WITH THE OTHER, IF the skin its covering the up knot.
i dont know if you understand my doubt

[xtian215]

exactly was i thinking
how this its operation its called? any special name i can search on youtube?
as i need to see very close, i want wondering if i can clamp a bit down? i mean not so up near the skin, just in the middle, will be the same?

btw, i just reheated and made again the carnauba wax(with thinner) and this time i got a hard-creamy, its like bread butter , its ok? or need to be smoother?

[xtian215]

I got two bare, and i will make my own djembe puller, so, if anyone have, can you please tell me the lengh of each stick? The large one, and the two tinny ones
and what about the angle? i think its 45°?

[xtian215]

GUYS I HAVE SOME PROBLEM
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set= ... 320&type=3

THE CROWN RING, didnt go down as well, only one side went down (1mm) and the other side its UP like 1,5mm

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WHAT can i do now??
already take away the skin and reskin it, and the same problem :S
maybe the cowhide was too tick

i taked off the cloth of the iron ring, and put new cloth

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/302567_10150451254476321_566191320_10777916_1900195779_n.jpg

and it could go easyli like 5cm down the bearing edge
but with the calf hide, didnt go down more than 2cm

and with the crown ring remained one side up, and one side down :S

[michi]

It's difficult to see with all the hair obscuring things. If it's not too lopsided, leave it, and try and compensate by tightening a bit more on the high side. You can make up for maybe a 2mm difference that way, no more.

If the difference is larger than that, it is safer to remove the head, carefully peel out the flesh ring, re-soak the skin, and start again.

Cheers,

Michi.

[Trog]

Did you try hitting the high side down with a rubber mallet?

[xtian215]

thanks for help guys, i just hit with a hammer and foam (skin-foam-hammer) and it went down a lot, at rubber edge level
so im happy, its already drying

[xtian215]

my djembe get a lot of air in the day as i keep in my 2nd floor, and isnt finished, so its windy,but i didnt get the idea of the fan, i have 3 computer fans, i can set all night, , so in the day isnt a problem, but in the night im taking inside home, and i will put the fans as you suggest. can you do a quick draw please?

Well, as im gonna write on the head of my djembe, im searching a non pricey vegetable ink, and most of they are expensive, as they're tattoo vegan inks.
I dont know if there are pencil regular vegetable inks, if you know some brand
will be good to write it with cochineal ink? or nopal ink?
these are both cochineal recipe i found:

Cochineal or Carmine Inks
Ingredients Parts
Cochineal
Ammonia
Water 1 oz
1 oz
1 quart

Decant after three days.
Dilute with water to the required intensity of color

Superfine Cochineal Ink
Ingredients Parts
Cochineal
Ammonium carbonate
Alum
Water 40
2
2
200

The ammonium carbonate is dissolved cold in the water, and the solution is poured onto a mixture of the alum and cochineal finely powdered, The whole is shaken every quarter of an hour for three to four hours. By this time the extraction of the coloring matter of the cochineal will be complete. Then filter the ink.

The alum is required to precipitate from the ink other substances which would otherwise decompose the ink. When this happens the ink turns thick and rapidly becomes moldy emitting a disagreeable odor. Throw this unusable ink away and start again.

I think nopal ink its more suitable, as its cheap where i live, and people told me its soluble in water only, they use for dye pants and t-shirts, so i think its kinda permanent.

Any advice on this?



this is a preview after a quick shave with my hair machine
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= ... permPage=1

its a nice hide i think, will look great signed




ok I REALLY NEED HELP
i already shave the skin, and looks great!

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but ive tryed to pull it with my hands and a tool i made myself

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but the sounds ITS LAME!
Here its a sample :S

POOR SOUND.mp3

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When i put it in the sun and do self "sun pulled" sound good
but when i pull, rings dont even go down :S
what im doing wrong?
i following this tutorial


what im doing wrong ???

michi

?

[michi]

I can't help with the ink, sorry.

I don't know what's happening with your drum. It sounds like you need more tension on the skin. If you can't apply more tension by tightening the verticals, start weaving. The pitch should come up eventually.

Michi.

[xtian215]

i hope you could give me some other advice about the verticals
any good tutorial you know about pulling the rope?

[michi]

There are a number of djembe tuning videos on YouTube. These might help.

Cheers,

Michi.

[notbongos]

How wonderful to take on such a project. I do have a few comments for you. I own a drum shop ( Drumzzone/Notbongos) in the USA and have repaired many djembes so have run into the same issues you are having. The sound will never sound as crisp when using a cow/calf skin as opposed to using a goat skin. Cow is much thicker so the slaps or pa ta sound will be a little harder to do. We at the Drumzzone have coined the name of the drum you made as being a 'djembou', part djembe, part bougarabou. I have also found that playing the drum will help get its voice to settle in. Sometimes it can take a couple of months to really hear the final product of what it has to say. So a little tinny in the beginning is pretty normal. Also there are many ways to get the top rings even to the head but honestly the drum will not know that it is not even so will not play differently.

Drum On!!
Kam

[shortypalmer]

the key to putting on calf or cow is to pull it very hard while wet. i guess i am jumping in a little late as you already have the skin on. if the ring is lopsided, trying putting tension on the rope and then hitting it with a hammer or something that will not damage the head, ropes or ring. looking at the video it looks like the skin is bunched up under the crown ring. that could be a problem, also i noticed the hole between the bowel and pedestal was really small. that is an issue in my opinion, not sure which drum is which at this point. as for the placement of the ring while wet, it will depend on how low you want the ring to be when finished, i try to be my dry ring to be between 1-2cm down after pulling wet, it will go further when dry but not as much as it does while wet. i tie my head onto the flesh ring. that keeps it form going to low