music wrote:I thank you all for your inputs and insight. Discourse is a true gem in the world.
I have to say I am extremely surprised at people's adherence to define the "difference" between slavery systems. None of us lived then, non of us have concrete academic examination of the conditions and results. Just look at the film "Roots". Were the slaves living in those conditions? Or was it Hollywood-izing the scene for the purposes of perception? Those houses and amenities were pretty nice. Is that how it really was or...?
What is the motivation behind vehemently defining a difference between conditions of slaves? None of us were there and none of us can understand the perspective of the slaves who were. As I said before, many American slaves returned to the plantations after emancipation. The "haratin" I have spoken to here in Mauritania will say it wasn't that bad with their words, but in the same breath seek the benefits of free society, not completely understanding all of the effort and education that goes into a free society. Am I, or are you, one of those people who would berate those slaves who returned and tell them they do not understand the implications of what they are doing?
It is all a soup of ambiguity waiting for discourse, but with no solution or resolution in sight (maybe one is not possible but the discourse is the path to freedom, not the "solution)
"Freedom" of a people normally means freedom of the elites, lower classes or slaves don't really count in a nation's history...
A Dream Deferred
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?
????! - Daniel, to say that the "lower classes" aren't important re. "freedom" is kind of like saying that East Germans under the Communist regime weren't (maybe still aren't?) important because they were East Germans and had the misfortune of being born on the other side of the border... or Berlin Wall, whichever.
And to say that the poor and/or slaves "don't really count in a nation's history" is absolute nonsense, in the Western Hemisphere for certain. (Although i would say "everywhere in the world" without a second's hesitation.) And... what about France, starting in 1789?!
e2c wrote:????! - Daniel, to say that the "lower classes" aren't important
e2c wrote:Have none of you European folks ever been in the Western Hemisphere?
It's a very difficult subject; I think we have to be sensitive to those who are reading but not commenting.
Although the concept of human rights must have been much different then, I believe we can safely assume that no person in any position of slavery or servitude has ever had it good, and one would take quite a risk to compare conditions of slavery between one culture and another.
music wrote:... I was told it was the opportunity for the jon to mock the horon in the only realm where they were freely allowed to speak through song. I witnessed many people from Horon families who were mortified at the thought of dancing the wolosso or jondon. Save the few artists who dance it as a professional pursuit.
I was also told the dances of the wolosso and jon are more risque than other Malian dance styles because the slaves have no shame, so they even may dance naked - when i asked why they have no shame they replied - "because they are slaves - why would they"
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