Ever hear of a rhythm called dydanba or gydanba

[djembefeeling]

I thought you would find the Bamako influence more interesting... d;-)

Nay, just old news. You mentioned that in a former post

I think it's with Wolfgang Grauer, too?

Don't know. Who's that guy, where's he from?

[James]

Thanks to everyone, I have a lot of reading and absorbing to do already with this thread.

In the mean time something I have noticed that is confusing me (if I'm not mistaken).

Mamady teaches kensereni played like this:

...and teaches Sangban played like this:


Which is kind of different, but the same as what I'm hearing from both Mansa and Famoudou.

It's like the kensereni is offset 1 beat or something?

[michi]

I disagree with the notation a little.

For Mamady's Gidamba, the kenkeni should be:

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1..2..3..4..
b.b.b.bb.b.b
o.o.o..o.o..
           ^


And the sangban should be:

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1..2..3..4..
bb.bb.bb.bb
c..o..c..o..


Cheers,

Michi.

[Daniel Preissler]

yes, Michi, that was, what I expected.
But I don't know anything about the origin of this version. Wether it exists in the Siguiri area (probably meaning that MK's Dundunba is the Sangban and his Sangban is the Kensedeni), or if it's a mixture of different influences...

Wolfgang Grauer and Peter Lange were among the first who played with Mansa Camio in Bavaria (with Ulli Sterr and Hans Freundshuber). Peter and Ulli invited Camio regularily (Hans has taken over 2 years ago). I have never met Wolfgang who stopped playing soon after Juerg Wohlwender had joined their band "Bruul" in about 2002 or 03. They released a disc in 2000 with Camio (under the name of "Bruul avec Mansa Camio". The disc "N'koke" 's group is called "Le groupe de Mansa Camio" as far a s I know). I think even on the Bruul disc there is this Baro Dyidanba (so "the other" rhythm/Maraka), but I'm not sure, I don't have it here.

http://www.rabensang.de/html/body_waren.html
http://www.rabensang.de/html/body_cds.html

James, what do you mean by

It's like the kensereni is offset 2 beats or something?

?

Greets, Daniel

[James]

I disagree with the notation a little.

For Mamady's Gidamba, the kenkeni should be:
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1..2..3..4..
b.b.b.bb.b.b
o.o.o..o.o..
^

And the sangban should be:
CODE: SELECT ALL
1..2..3..4..
bb.bb.bb.bb
c..o..c..o..

Cheers,

I don't see the difference?

If you listen to the Famoudou recording on Rhytmen der malinke the open of the sangban is on the
first part of the sangban I notated above, rather than the closed, so it's shifted 1 beat (not 2 like I previously said, will edit my post).

[bkidd]

James,

I'm pretty sure you're correct, the sangban differs between famoudou and mamady.

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famoudou
o..x..o..x..
mamay
x..o..x..o..


Best,
-Brian

[djembefeeling]

In Kouroussa, the band of Mamady Traoré played on the sangban what Famoudou teaches on the kenkeni, while the kenkeni either plays a simple beat or the passport (o.oo..o.oo..).
Is that common in all Hamana, Daniel?

btw, I listened to Gidamba on N'Koke this morning, and I really like the dununba. Energetic play, interesting variations. Do you know who played it?

best, jürgen

[Daniel Preissler]

yes, Kouroussa ville can be a bit strange sometimes d;-)
I've never seen the o.o.o..o.o.. Kensedeni in the villages. That's what I meant above. It's o..o.. or o.oo.. (dyidanba can be something like a kon with the other downbeat in a way).
I don't know the N'koke disc (I proved that above, too ), but you could write an email to Hans (www.rabensang.de), he will know. Might be Peter and Wolfgang playing Sangban/Dundunba.
I nearly forgot: From when is the version you are talking about (Mamady Bagbolo's version) and who played Sangban? I know the other one (as I described above) as normal even in Kouroussa (and I played it that way myself in September - no proof for anything).

Greets, D

[djembefeeling]

From when is the version you are talking about (Mamady Bagbolo's version) and who played Sangban?

Well, actually they played o.o.o..c.c.., it was back in January 2006, and I have no clue about the names of the people in his band. They changed anyway, sometimes even his little son played sangban or dununba...

[Daniel Preissler]

right, very good point. I should have thought of it earlier.
this is a chauffe normally, but becomes a normal version in Kouroussa. I think Lukas has put a version like that on youtube (channel: mamadykamara). this sangban is the sangbarala (and other villages') Tasaba.
I will stop here, it's too late, I miss too many things that you write...
see you, Daniel