Djagbe/Djagba/Madan

[e2c]

Carl, I think you've nailed it re. specific questions, etc.

It helps to have definite goals, although that said, I'm not sure where to go from there. Let me cogitate a bit... will add thoughts here if/when they arise.

[michi]

If we could have some "end oriented" threads to go with the open ended threads, that might help us cover all of the ground that we would like.

All it really takes is for people who post to start a new thread when the topic deviates far enough from the original thread.

Michi.

[Carl]

If we could have some "end oriented" threads to go with the open ended threads, that might help us cover all of the ground that we would like.

All it really takes is for people who post to start a new thread when the topic deviates far enough from the original thread.

Michi.

That is part of my point, but in practice we seem to be trying to minimize the number of threads, where as if we plan on having specific threads for specific questions, I think it will make it easier to keep track of the various conversations.

Just my 2cents.
C

[bubudi]

If we could have some "end oriented" threads to go with the open ended threads, that might help us cover all of the ground that we would like.

thanks carl, i'd like to discuss more things to help along the rhythm of the month discussion so whenever you get any ideas, please share them. i'll start a separate topic in the appropriate forum. just a few days ago james and i were discussing splitting the rhythm of the month forum into subforums (one per month) to be able to better organise multiple topics on the one rhythm. i didn't mean to imply you were holding back on jelifoli and i knew you were focusing on your ttm studies. it's a worthwhile rhythm to learn which will help round off your ttm foundation (there are a couple of others you could add to the list) and you'll get lamban/sanja in quite a few dance classes (not to mention it's played in most celebrations in bamako and conakry). jelifoli is not a rhythm i've ever heard mamady play. it would have worked nicely on his mamady lee cd. i'm sure he could nail that rhythm if he wanted to, but for some reason he seems to steer clear of it. i don't remember him ever playing yoki or mane either, come to think of it, but you can't master them all.

[bubudi]

with respect, b, I'm glad this particular discussion is going forward.

e, i welcome this discussion.

Not sure it's wise to try and push people, really.

they can handle a little push

seriously though, i wasn't trying to push anyone. i was only probing as to why similar enthusiasm has not gone into the current study group discussion, just . i do get the impression that certain people (not yourself or carl) are holding back and i'm sure they have their reasons. i don't want to point the finger, just get some ideas as to how we can lift the momentum.

[e2c]

maybe some of what you're talking about would be better discussed off-list... with whoever.

and everybody has stuff to deal with out there in the "real world."

just sayin'.

[Dugafola]

jelifoli is not a rhythm i've ever heard mamady play. it would have worked nicely on his mamady lee cd. i'm sure he could nail that rhythm if he wanted to, but for some reason he seems to steer clear of it. i don't remember him ever playing yoki or mane either, come to think of it, but you can't master them all.

he does teach it. not often though. he taught it in santa cruz in 2004 and mini guinea 2006 i believe.

he also kills mane on A Giate.

[bubudi]

he also kills mane on A Giate.

i stand corrected. i should listen to a giate more often. a fine collection of rhythms from various ethnic groups.

still no jelifoli on any of mamady's recordings.

[Afoba]

@ Carl & Duguföla (subject: "taama")
I think Famoudou invented both versions, but I'm not sure about that. The version that seems "traditional" was the first version (on Mamady's "Hamanah" disc). To me it's the part of Soli, when men dance before a chauffe (it's no so easy, because there're lots of rhythms using this line, so I can't be sure).
I never heard it in Hamana or Gberedu (which normally proves nothing). But I've heard a lot of dundunba rhythms up there by now (sorry, hm), and having a look at all the malinke/maninka-rhythms I know, there aren't many where the Sangban has no bell one the first pulsation in the basic version (there's denmussoni/hamanadundun, silidundun and one or two more).

Right, what Duguföla say concerning dyagba-dance movements: there's only one and some individual variations of acting + the chauffe.

Greetings
Daniel

[Dugafola]

@ Carl & Duguföla (subject: "taama")
I think Famoudou invented both versions, but I'm not sure about that. The version that seems "traditional" was the first version (on Mamady's "Hamanah" disc). To me it's the part of Soli, when men dance before a chauffe (it's no so easy, because there're lots of rhythms using this line, so I can't be sure).
I never heard it in Hamana or Gberedu (which normally proves nothing). But I've heard a lot of dundunba rhythms up there by now (sorry, hm), and having a look at all the malinke/maninka-rhythms I know, there aren't many where the Sangban has no bell one the first pulsation in the basic version (there's denmussoni/hamanadundun, silidundun and one or two more).

Right, what Duguföla say concerning dyagba-dance movements: there's only one and some individual variations of acting + the chauffe.


Greetings
Daniel

inike, daniel.

re: taama. i haven't heard anyone outside of Famoudou and sons play taama. in all the stuff i've seen from sangbarala, fissadou, baro, gberedu, koumana, kourala etc...i've never seen taama played or danced.

[Afoba]

thanx for the confirmation, Duga!
èh kè, you went to Fissadou? d;-)
when exactly?
Greetings
dpk

[bubudi]

welcome, daniel, good to see you here! by your 'smilie' i take it you are partial to wearing a baseball cap sideways/backwards?

there is a topic dedicated to the dunun (dununba) rhythms: music-and-drumming/doundounbas-t591.html

we have also been discussing a game in which a recording (or notation) is given and someone must guess the dunununba rhythm being played. see it here: social/name-the-dununba-t1654.html

nansady keita also plays taama and you can hear it on one of his cds. of course, he's famoudou's nephew and also from sangbarala. but i don't think taama would be on mamady keita's hamanah disc if it was a 'famoudou only' rhythm.

[Afoba]

hello again Bubudi!
No, I'm wearing it in the adult's style and it's no base cap, but good interpretation!! d;-) http://hamana.de/pageID_6614136.html
thanx for the links, I gonna watch the discussions.
Remember that Famoudou played on the Hamanah disc, too. That at MK's home, there are no dundunbas at all (that's why it's called Hamanah) and that they put "takonani" on the disc, too - a rhythm that doesn't exist (at least not as a dundunba. It's a rhythm for women, sorry, forgot the Sangbarala name, that Namory told me once).

Little advert for Nansady Keita by the way: great drummer, great guy!!!
Sangbarala is a small village (or at least no big one), but there are always some good djembe players. Do you know little Kaba Konaté? Hey! The ones who got the latest Billy disc: it's tho one who plays dundunba on the photo next to Billy and Diarra. But normally he is a better solo player. He is a real nephew of Famoudou's. Nansady and Famoudou are only relatives due to Famoudous wife N'na Nagnouma Camara I think. And some years later there's gonna be little Sékou Konaté (don't tell him by now d;-) ). And the whole family of Nansady, Solo and Namory Keita. Everyone who sees Sidima Keita playing dundunba once in his life will love this instrument!

aua, ambe, nyè
d

[Dugafola]

hello again Bubudi!
No, I'm wearing it in the adult's style and it's no base cap, but good interpretation!! d;-) http://hamana.de/pageID_6614136.html
thanx for the links, I gonna watch the discussions.
Remember that Famoudou played on the Hamanah disc, too. That at MK's home, there are no dundunbas at all (that's why it's called Hamanah) and that they put "takonani" on the disc, too - a rhythm that doesn't exist (at least not as a dundunba. It's a rhythm for women, sorry, forgot the Sangbarala name, that Namory told me once).

aua, ambe, nyè
d

i'm sure Afoba will know this, but they often time's use the Takonani "phrase" for echauffments around gberedu. it works very nice.

also, i learned "takonani" as a different dununba called "bilakoro dunun" taught to me by Dauoda Kourouma.

[Afoba]

i'm sure Afoba will know this, but they often time's use the Takonani "phrase" for echauffments around gberedu. it works very nice.

Me, too, I do that sometimes, especially when I play with Mansa Camio (Baro/Gberedu). In Hamana I've never heard it.
I don't know about another (dundunba) rhythm that works like takonani....
As I told you, I dont't think it is an dundunba rhythm. Daouda (is it the old dundunba player Daouda Kourouma) might have heard FK's and MK's discs and want to please pupils by using the same things (I saw this myself in Sangbarala and Fissadou: drummers trying to remeber what Famoudou or Mansa had put on discs and to tell stories according to this recordings or changing their class contents over the years according to what FK is used to teach - even if they play it in a different way at home).
But: you never know - everything is possible d;-)
d