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Rhythms from Baro

Postby Afoba » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:18 am

very nice instructional book and discs by Niels Fleurke and Mansa Camio:



(only in dutch, will come out in french later)
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Re: Rhythms from Baro

Postby bubudi » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:54 am

nice work. good to see something representing the baro style. what is the page with the tables at 1:17 about? seems like a good amount of cultural information from what you can see in the video. a french translation will be good but it needs an english translation for wider readership.

what's up with the placement of the call in 1:37? niels i presume.
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Re: Rhythms from Baro

Postby Afoba » Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:35 am

That's the the summary of the learning disc (left, 215 short tracks) and the "music disc" (16 tracks: each track once as a nice and complete piece of music - no "dry playing", real music compared to other instructional discs - and once as play along).

The rhythms are:
Soliba (Balakulandyan)
Soro d;-)
Soliwulen
Kodonba (a simple Dibon)
Morybayassa Baro version
Soli
Dja (I would say Dya)
Bando

What I like most about it is the solos: quite simple, but traditional and well fitting!
I could still argue about some details (like the Dundunba on Dya), but it's the best book by far I've ever seen.

Concerning the language: It's ok, if you already know something about the music and the culture, for beginners or people in a lower stadium, it's much nicer to understand the whole text. Nice explanations of cultural background by the way. Not that constructed stuff as in most books or discs.
As a German, I understand most parts of the text. English speaking people might understand as well. Example:
"De Bara is de grote dansplaats van het dorp."
Der Bara ist der große Tanzplatz des Dorfes.
The Bara is the huge dance place of the village.

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Re: Rhythms from Baro

Postby e2c » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:04 pm

Daniel - thanks for letting us know about this. It looks and sounds very good! :)
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Re: Rhythms from Baro

Postby Afoba » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:22 pm

Hi Bubudi, sorry, I forgot to give an answer to this question:
bubudi wrote:what's up with the placement of the call in 1:37? niels i presume.


It's Mansa playing. The placement of this break/blocage is like in the solo from 1:48 on (it starts like the dundunba kensedeni: on the 9th pulse of 12):
gran gada/ dagada digidan /,..,..,.F.ss/.sss.oos..../ F=flame

I would prefer
gran gada/ dagada digidangidigan /
but they didn't ask me d;-)
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Re: Rhythms from Baro

Postby Afoba » Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:49 pm

correction (copy and paste is dangerous):
I would prefer
gran gada/ dagada digidagidigan /
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Re: Rhythms from Baro

Postby davidognomo » Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:54 pm

yumi... when will be out the french version?
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Re: Rhythms from Baro

Postby Afoba » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:07 pm

they have to sell a certain number of books then their label (or however you call it) will bring out the french version.
still the notation's very easy, even if you don't speak dutch.
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Re: Rhythms from Baro

Postby Mikeleza » Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:02 am

Hi Daniel,

Is it possible to get the book in english?

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Re: Rhythms from Baro

Postby Afoba » Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:08 pm

hello Mike,
I don't think so. But why not try and write a mail to Niels (to his youtoube account) and ask him, if he has a translation of at least a part of the book to english, that he couls send with the book? Many Dutch speak english very well.
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Re: Rhythms from Baro

Postby Mikeleza » Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:15 pm

Is it worth getting the book just for the notation do you think?

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Re: Rhythms from Baro

Postby Afoba » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:27 am

may be I should declare myself disqualified due to a conflict of interests here, because I sell the book, too d;-)
But it might be cheaper to order it in Holland directly (21,95€+posting) than to order it from me (22,-€+posting).

It is the best book I know concerning notation and it is the best one concerning information in my eyes (in fact, apart from this ones, there's only the inlay of Famoudous first disc that I really like - unfortunately this inlay has never been translated not to english nor to french, I think).
So if you have bought another book already without much cultural information, you would be served better with this one even without understanding a word!

And then there's the "music disc", which would be worth being mentioned in the "great non-african bands"-thread (I don't know, if the "learning disc" will help much, I think notations and real music are enough).

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Re: Rhythms from Baro

Postby bubudi » Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:29 pm

if you are speaking about 'rhythmen der malinke', the info in the booklet was translated into english.

i really hope niels produces an english version of this book. i know that martin schepers' books have plenty of cultural information, and they're in both english and french.
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Re: Rhythms from Baro

Postby Afoba » Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:54 pm

yes, I see that in the linked thread, you have even mentioned the 2 könöwulen rhythms as two different musical pieces.
Have you got Martin's books? I saw them only once (in France).
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Re: Rhythms from Baro

Postby bubudi » Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:20 am

no, i didn't get them. but i'm really not into that style of learning. you can view sample pages on his site. there are quite a few pages (not counting the section on drumset), and people who have bought the book recommend it for the info.
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